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Actually I couldn't resist joking here either. "fine sense of humor" is indeed sarcasm on my part. How would anyone know that? Doesn't matter if anyone else gets it. I don't care.
Now most people today have little or no skill. Why? This is an era of amateurism. The whole idea of skill is a concept from the distant past. There are no schools teaching basic functional skills. There is no general high standard in the arts to look up to that you could at least reach up for or be embarrassed by your lack of the general level of skill in professional art.
The most skilled artists today can't touch the average skills of artists from 1940. The best modern Disney animators are shadows of the masters they look up to. I'm a shadow of Bob McKimson and Rod Scribner. The few of us who have any skills at all are completely bucking the system and having to flounder around and get through sheer talent and trial and error and searching the past. There is no one around to help us.
You need to be able to tell the difference between fundamentally good drawing-and style. Everyone today thinks he has a style. You don't. You have to be able to draw before you can have a style, Chet. Even among highly skilled animators and artists, very few have original and unique styles. You can't learn style. You either have it or you don't. It's like personality. I only know one person who actually made up a personality. Don't make up a style. Draw well instead.
Look at the difference between say, Sleeping Beauty and Mulan. Sleeping Beauty is phenomenally well drawn and animated and staged and colored. It's a technical masterpiece. Mulan is just a piece.
The only similarity is that both movies draw sharp corners on the characters. But in Sleeping Beauty, the corners are in consistent and sensible places. In Mulan, they just morph and switch places and warp all over the structureless melting characters.
Classic Disney features are waaaay too sophisticated and difficult to draw to be able to help you learn anything. They also use very specifically Disney type cheesy expressions and you will absorb those, as all the Cal Arts kids too. They absorb the cheese without the solid foundation.
Once you learn basics, then you can start being influenced by a wider group of artists because then you can actually understand some of what different artists are doing and apply a bit of their tricks.
.....Well I agree with alot of what he says...but I still think he's gotten way too into his own theories. Stuff that looks like shit but conforms to his theories is exalted...and well....most of the stuff he bashes really is bad so I won't question that. But really I don't see what makes some of his Katie Rice designs any better than the new Disney crap. They're original? No they're not. THEY just look like 'cute-crap' all smashed together in a designy loose ugly style. And even worse every goddamn thing looks the same. You've seen one katie rice design you have literally seen every one. and they all suck. the eyes aren't symmetrical so they are good design? so what.
I like how I have none of the skills of John K yet I can be even more elitist. He probably doesn't like Curt Swan. Dick.
I'm glad there is at least one big artist who is dedicated to the craft of drawing and hates the stuff that is 'wrong'. his opinions have been influential to me but alot of what he says pisses me off a little. his 'stupid fun' is highly sophisticated and just giving the people what they want, while family guy is forcing people to like shit. he lives in his own little world. What I tried to point out to him was that the AUDIENCE does not care about SKILL...so how can artists who only want to be successful be expected to care about skill either? most of this stuff is just theories anyway. the only real drawing skills i acknowledge as indisputable is the ability to render objects convincingly. I don’t know or care enough about composition or color theory or any of that stuff to degrade it, but a lot of it seems based on preference and speculation. Yes it usually does look better but….dammit he says people are using ugly ‘pee and poo colors’ and then goes onto say those colors can be beautiful if used correctly. What the hell is he talking about? Anyway, I’m pretty much already dead so-
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If my posts weren't deleted I'd tell ya to read them again. They are absurd and full of blatant contradictions. It were all a joke.
If only you knew me better you'd appreciate my fine sense of humor.
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I'm trying to practice not being cynical and moody. Do you think it's working?
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Now most people today have little or no skill. Why? This is an era of amateurism. The whole idea of skill is a concept from the distant past. There are no schools teaching basic functional skills. There is no general high standard in the arts to look up to that you could at least reach up for or be embarrassed by your lack of the general level of skill in professional art.
The most skilled artists today can't touch the average skills of artists from 1940. The best modern Disney animators are shadows of the masters they look up to. I'm a shadow of Bob McKimson and Rod Scribner. The few of us who have any skills at all are completely bucking the system and having to flounder around and get through sheer talent and trial and error and searching the past. There is no one around to help us.
You need to be able to tell the difference between fundamentally good drawing-and style. Everyone today thinks he has a style. You don't. You have to be able to draw before you can have a style, Chet. Even among highly skilled animators and artists, very few have original and unique styles. You can't learn style. You either have it or you don't. It's like personality. I only know one person who actually made up a personality. Don't make up a style. Draw well instead.
Look at the difference between say, Sleeping Beauty and Mulan. Sleeping Beauty is phenomenally well drawn and animated and staged and colored. It's a technical masterpiece. Mulan is just a piece.
The only similarity is that both movies draw sharp corners on the characters. But in Sleeping Beauty, the corners are in consistent and sensible places. In Mulan, they just morph and switch places and warp all over the structureless melting characters.
Classic Disney features are waaaay too sophisticated and difficult to draw to be able to help you learn anything. They also use very specifically Disney type cheesy expressions and you will absorb those, as all the Cal Arts kids too. They absorb the cheese without the solid foundation.
Once you learn basics, then you can start being influenced by a wider group of artists because then you can actually understand some of what different artists are doing and apply a bit of their tricks.
.....Well I agree with alot of what he says...but I still think he's gotten way too into his own theories. Stuff that looks like shit but conforms to his theories is exalted...and well....most of the stuff he bashes really is bad so I won't question that. But really I don't see what makes some of his Katie Rice designs any better than the new Disney crap. They're original? No they're not. THEY just look like 'cute-crap' all smashed together in a designy loose ugly style. And even worse every goddamn thing looks the same. You've seen one katie rice design you have literally seen every one. and they all suck. the eyes aren't symmetrical so they are good design? so what.
I like how I have none of the skills of John K yet I can be even more elitist. He probably doesn't like Curt Swan. Dick.
I'm glad there is at least one big artist who is dedicated to the craft of drawing and hates the stuff that is 'wrong'. his opinions have been influential to me but alot of what he says pisses me off a little. his 'stupid fun' is highly sophisticated and just giving the people what they want, while family guy is forcing people to like shit. he lives in his own little world. What I tried to point out to him was that the AUDIENCE does not care about SKILL...so how can artists who only want to be successful be expected to care about skill either? most of this stuff is just theories anyway. the only real drawing skills i acknowledge as indisputable is the ability to render objects convincingly. I don’t know or care enough about composition or color theory or any of that stuff to degrade it, but a lot of it seems based on preference and speculation. Yes it usually does look better but….dammit he says people are using ugly ‘pee and poo colors’ and then goes onto say those colors can be beautiful if used correctly. What the hell is he talking about? Anyway, I’m pretty much already dead so-
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